HIP LIVE SERIES VOL. 1 NOW RELEASED

thehip11 · Sat Oct 09, 2004 10:15 am

I think no show that the hip are selling should be put on an ftp or bittorrent'ed. The hip have been great enough to get these great quality shows to us so the least we can do is buy the thing and play the crap out of it.

I've tried decoding Heaven about 10 times now even with decode through errors and it's the only song I can't convert.

Could someone perhaps send it to me through messenger?

thanks a lot!

chris · Sat Oct 09, 2004 10:43 am

I'm not suggesting that the professional version be shared; just the fan recording of the same show.

By all means I encourage fans to go out and buy the professional version, but I don't think that should preclude them from having a fan recording of the same show.

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Have you re-downloaded Heaven from livedownloads.com or are you just trying to decode the same file over and over again?

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It appears that my copy of Heaven is also corrupt.

Here's the transcript from my decoder:

tth040701d2_06_Heaven_Is_A.flac: 3% complete
tth040701d2_06_Heaven_Is_A.flac: 7% complete
tth040701d2_06_Heaven_Is_A.flac: 10% complete
tth040701d2_06_Heaven_Is_A.flac: 13% complete
tth040701d2_06_Heaven_Is_A.flac: 17% complete
tth040701d2_06_Heaven_Is_A.flac: 20% complete
tth040701d2_06_Heaven_Is_A.flac: 23% complete
tth040701d2_06_Heaven_Is_A.flac: 27% complete
tth040701d2_06_Heaven_Is_A.flac: 30% complete
tth040701d2_06_Heaven_Is_A.flac: 33% complete
tth040701d2_06_Heaven_Is_A.flac: 36% complete
tth040701d2_06_Heaven_Is_A.flac: 40% complete
tth040701d2_06_Heaven_Is_A.flac: 43% complete
tth040701d2_06_Heaven_Is_A.flac: 46% complete
tth040701d2_06_Heaven_Is_A.flac: 50% completetth040701d2_06_Heaven_Is_A.flac: *** Got error code 2:FLAC__STREAM_DECODER_ERROR_STATUS_FRAME_CRC_MISMATCH

tth040701d2_06_Heaven_Is_A.flac: ERROR while decoding data
state = 3:FLAC__STREAM_DECODER_READ_FRAME
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thehip11 · Sat Oct 09, 2004 11:09 am

Have you re-downloaded Heaven from livedownloads.com or are you just trying to decode the same file over and over again?

I've tried re-downloading from livedownloads as well. I also emailed them about the issue.

chris · Sat Oct 09, 2004 11:14 am

The real issue is going to be that they won't respond until my 48 hours is up!

ron · Sat Oct 09, 2004 11:17 am

i got a response last night but their hours state m-f so monday maybe
but courage and 100th for me are corupt maybe jamie we could exchange songs on msn ? let me checjk my version of heaven

ron

Stephen Dame · Sat Oct 09, 2004 11:20 am

I'm a computer dolt. Which one is going to give me the best sound and the greatest longevity? Should I even bother with the MP3 version?

chris · Sat Oct 09, 2004 11:23 am

Stephen Dame wrote:I'm a computer dolt. Which one is going to give me the best sound and the greatest longevity? Should I even bother with the MP3 version?

If you have a high speed connection, get FLAC and burn it to CD.

chris · Sat Oct 09, 2004 11:34 am

I think they should include a FLAC fingerprint file - this would help to ensure that all users get a complete download.

highlander · Sat Oct 09, 2004 11:54 am

I took Heaven into Cool Edit Pro and editted out the glitch and it sounds perfect. There is a microsecond glitch that is plainly visible when you zoom in on the 1:44 part of the song. Deleted it and I can't even tell it was there.

High

bauer · Sat Oct 09, 2004 1:09 pm

I agree with Chris on this one. We should still be trading the audience recordings. I have a web bought Dead show from last year. I also have an audience recording of the same show. I prefer the aud show cause it has the songs Dylan sang with the Dead where the web shows cut those songs. What should we do about video taped shows that The Hip release as audio boots? Are those to be pulled from our lists too?

cferneyh · Sat Oct 09, 2004 1:12 pm

chris wrote:I'm not suggesting that the professional version be shared; just the fan recording of the same show.

By all means I encourage fans to go out and buy the professional version, but I don't think that should preclude them from having a fan recording of the same show.

I agree with Chris. Besides, if the band still didn't want fans taping and trading, then they would have changed their policy rather than continue to allow it.

mmilberg · Sat Oct 09, 2004 2:01 pm

Stephen Dame wrote:I'm a computer dolt. Which one is going to give me the best sound and the greatest longevity? Should I even bother with the MP3 version?

I would go for the mp3. The sound quality is still great, it's cheaper and you can play them immediately on any device.

FLAC requires you to understand FLAC, download a program to convert it to a different kind of file, requiring you to know what kind of file you want to convert it to, understanding how to use the conversion program, etc., etc. There are so many steps that 'computer dolts' will find FLACS very frustrating. MP3s are easy; you click download, you click the song, it plays. Your computer's music program recognizes it immediately, etc. FLAC requires more steps.

Moreover, purists hate mp3s because each time you transfer them, you lose some quality. So if you get an mp3 off of Kazaa the quality might be poor, because it could be a copy of a copy of a copy of a copy of a copy, etc. Whereas no matter how many times a FLAC has been copied, the quality won't have changed. But you're downloading a first generation copy off of live downloads, so there's no loss of quality here. The mp3 will sound great. Technically the FLAC files will still sound better, but the same way an $8 000 stereo sounds better than a $1 000 stereo. But no one complains about the sound of a $1 000 stereo, do they? It still sounds great. So unless you own that $8 000 stereo, just go mp3.

chris · Sat Oct 09, 2004 2:51 pm

mmilberg wrote:...Moreover, purists hate mp3s because each time you transfer them, you lose some quality. So if you get an mp3 off of Kazaa the quality might be poor, because it could be a copy of a copy of a copy of a copy of a copy, etc. Whereas no matter how many times a FLAC has been copied, the quality won't have changed. But you're downloading a first generation copy off of live downloads, so there's no loss of quality here. The mp3 will sound great. Technically the FLAC files will still sound better, but the same way an $8 000 stereo sounds better than a $1 000 stereo. But no one complains about the sound of a $1 000 stereo, do they? It still sounds great. So unless you own that $8 000 stereo, just go mp3.

Digital copies of MP3's are identical - no loss from copy to copy. The problem is that they are a compressed file format, and a lot of MP3 playing software imports the MP3 at a different bit rate than the file was created. That is how you get crappier copies circulating. Making a copy of any digital file does not degrade the quality. (Copying analog formats, like cassette tapes, degrades the quality with each subsequent copy.)

Both formats will sound almost the same on most computer sound systems, and portable music players. The real difference becomes apparent when you play it on a good sound system. Additionally, all MP3's have a small sound gap at the beginning/end of every track. FLAC's decoded to WAV or AIFF don't.

Decoding FLAC's is easy, and many software titles will allow you to play FLAC's without decoding them. In most cases, all you need is a free plugin. Same goes for burning them to CD.

ShannonW · Sat Oct 09, 2004 3:48 pm

question for the people who got Heaven to convert properly... what program are you using? Mine only converts to the error and then stops... I'm using dbPoweramp.

highlander · Sat Oct 09, 2004 5:03 pm

ShannonW wrote:question for the people who got Heaven to convert properly... what program are you using? Mine only converts to the error and then stops... I'm using dbPoweramp.

I used Flac Frontend and you can decode through errors. If you have a sound editting program like Cool Edit Pro you can load the .wav file in and edit out the glitch at 1:44 and you'll have a good clean sounding wav file ready to burn to cd.

High