taper passes?

[bauer]

I just finished listening to the 10-20-00 boot. The taper got hauled out of the show by security for taping the show. They let him back into the show but not without hasseling him about not having a taper pass or something to that effect. I know the hip are ok with taping their shows but has anyone ever approached them about giving out taper passes. They do this for the Dead. You buy a taper ticket for the show. The price is the same but you are allowed to bring in recording equipment. They even set aside an area for tapers so as not to disturb any of the concert goers. I've never had trouble bringing my recording euipment into a hip show but the one time it does happen I will FREAK. The hip may allow taping but some venues don't. I think it is up to the band as they own their material. On the IVL tour the ticket actually said no recording equipment allowed but no one said boo when I pulled out my video camera and minidisc. I think official permission from the hip via a pass or taper ticket would solve this problem. Before the IVL tour I emailed the hip to ask if I could bring in a video camera and they said sure we are ok with that. I printed off the email and brought it to the shows. Luckily I didn't have to use it. I don't think it would have gotten me very far as they can totally be faked but that was the best I could do to get official permission to tape. Any ideas as to what we can do for the upcoming tour would be appreciated. Lets get every show!!

[TLB]

Last time out, Sam Feldman approached me about my gear midway through the show. He gave me his card and asked me to email him about taping Hip shows. I wrote him a detailed email about taping, the Hip's view, bootlegging, and The Henhouse/Hipbase/AMTH. In that email, I suggested the very same idea: taper's passes. He never replied, but I hope he read the whole email and saw this idea. Thank you Bauer for bringing that idea up in this forum (I think it would obviously get support here).

I think the taper that was hauled out of the House Of Blues on 10/20/00 was Scooby (I read he put up a pretty good fight ). Another taper had his tape confiscated at a venue in New York (I can't remember the name of the venue). These are the only two venues in the US I've heard of that didn't allow it, even though The Hip did. At Stage 13 in Camrose, the same thing happened to me; festival security nixed it even though I had countless emails from both The Hip and Stage 13 assuring me it would be allowed (plus I agreed to stay off grounds until the Hip came on), but in the end it wasn't. Any other time I've had trouble, I just ask for them to talk to Mark Vreeken, the soundguy, and then everything's cool.

Most of the time ticket vendors have to print the "no equipment allowed" tag on the ticket, even if the artist allows it. Usually The Hip do a great job informing building security, who just check your bag for your gear and any contraband, and let you through.

[grooveless touque]

At the Ottawa Bluesfest somebody got hauled out of the Sheryl Crow show for taping, and I heard she personally told them to get the taper out. She's apparently a real bitch.

But at the Allman Brothers show during the same Fest, a guy had a 10 foot boom with TWO mics on it going into a full size recorder just in front of me. The ABB have publicly stated they oppose trading (which they said in 2001 after 35 years of fans trading) but this guy with the giant apparatus was not ejected.

So I don't know how they decide who is allowed and who's not. I never understood the venue vs. performer authority, and taper passes would GREATLY alleviate this confusion.

[Hairbird]

Actually, that's not quite true. The Allman Brothers still do allow taping and trading. They do not allow "electronic" trading, such as FTP or Bit Torrent distribution, for some strange reason. You can still trade Allman Brothers recordings through old fasioned snail mail trades or B&Ps. I actually have a recording of that Bluesfest show. Great concert, and pretty decent recording.

[grooveless touque]

WHAT!!! I have been searching forever for that concert!! I would love to trade, dude, seeing as I have not managed to procure a single ABB show in all my months of trying. Every trader I found either said a) I don't B&P, b) I don't mail to Canada, or c) ignored me.

I have legions of Hip stuff, I can trade you anything you want. Please PM me if you're interested in helping a fairly desperate ABB fan finally his hands on a concert bootleg!

[Hairbird]

No problem touque, PM is on the way!

[bauer]

Does anyone know anyone from the hip. Is this a possibilty? It would really alleviate a lot of stress just before the show. I always get really, really nervous as I pass through security with my camera and minidisc. Maybe the hip could email out taper passes for those that request one from them. It would be easy for the band to do and would take care of any taping problems. If all we had to do was flash a pass I would be a lot more comfortable. This way they could also let security know in advance to look for the passes. It would be nice if this is available for the up coming tour.

[Debob]

At the Ottawa Bluesfest somebody got hauled out of the Sheryl Crow show for taping, and I heard she personally told them to get the taper out. She's apparently a real bitch.

But at the Allman Brothers show during the same Fest, a guy had a 10 foot boom with TWO mics on it going into a full size recorder just in front of me. The ABB have publicly stated they oppose trading (which they said in 2001 after 35 years of fans trading) but this guy with the giant apparatus was not ejected.

So I don't know how they decide who is allowed and who's not. I never understood the venue vs. performer authority, and taper passes would GREATLY alleviate this confusion.

I videotaped alot of shows at bluesfest.. allman brothers band was one of them .. turned out rather well.. my buddy audio taped sheryl crow.. he said it turned out average.. too much crowd noise.. check out my list.. has a bunch of stuff from bluesfest on it.. vhs or audio... www.phishhook.com/lists/debob_22 links to my vids and dvd's are on the top of that phishhook page.. peace

[chris]

I really think that we need to get on this idea of "taper passes." It's a real drag having to deal with security when you are doing something that the band allows.

Some pro-taper bands even have taper sections set-up to accomodate tapers and their gear.

Let's send the band some well-worded, on-point emails outlining our request.

It's worth a try.

[markslog]

I've been asking the Hip since 1999 about a possible taper's ticket.
They always responded with - security will be informed that all non-professional taping equipment is to be allowed. In all the times I have taped the Hip I have only had a problem when it was the venue that was the problem. If the venue has specific rules that prohibit taping then no matter what the Hip say its always venue rules. This generally is true for NYC venues. It can also apply to House Of Blues venues as well - but that is not always the case.

Having a taper's section is not necessarily the best thing either especially if you want to film the show. It generally is good for those that what to run a mike stand.

Also honestly I think its quite amazing that the Hip even bother allowing taping since on most nights I believe there is maybe one or two tapers at most.

I am hoping the Hip's new management still allow us to tape the shows.

[chris]

Good points Mark. And hearing that you've onlly had issues if the venue had a policy against taping gives me a bit more confidence.

Thanks!

[bauer]

I think it is awesome that the hip do let us tape but I think this next tour will have a lot more tapers. When I video taped the shows I went to for IVL I noticed at least two other cameras there. That wasn't so bad but there were a ton of people that saw me taping and asked if I was allowed to. When I said the hip are cool with this many peeps said they intend to tape next show. With taper passes or tickets then the hip can say how many tapers they want at any given show. I can see going to a show and every third person will have a video camera. This WILL cause problems. Too many tapers and the hip will cut it off. Taping got so crazy at dead shows they had to set aside an area for them. They also put a stop to video taping shows as it interfered with others concert enjoyment. I would really hate to see this happen at hip shows. All the hip really need to do is provide you with a pass that they can mail out to you allowing you to tape. You would still have to buy a ticket of course but this way they could cap it at 5 or 10 or whatever. Flash the pass to security no problems right. I wouldn't mind not taping the show as long as I know someone did and is willing to share. I have met tapers at hip shows that tell you they will contact you and don't. I even talked with a guy who was also video taping all the shows but was not willing to trade. I believe all the shows I tape personally don't BELONG to me, they belong to anyone requesting a copy. That is how the spirit of bootlegging lives on.

[VioletlightHeron]

I dont think we'll have to worry too much about tapers jostling for space at shows; the majority of shows I've been to had one guy taping with mini boom mikes(Steven Brown @ HOB Chicago#3) or mics and recorders that are on them. What I do think the Hip need to watch out for and take care of are the dumbasses who take photos with their celluar phone cameras or hold them up so some buddy can hear the concert.

[MountainHip]

(Please do not read any further as I am just being an a** here),
I don't mean to hijack this thread but........

It really bothers me when someone who is taping says they'll give you a copy and they don't. Tapers don't "owe" me anything, including a lie.

I have met tapers at hip shows that tell you they
will contact you and don't.

[VioletlightHeron]

(Please do not read any further as I am just being an a** here),
I don't mean to hijack this thread but........

It really bothers me when someone who is taping says they'll give you a copy and they don't. Tapers don't "owe" me anything, including a lie.

I have met tapers at hip shows that tell you they
will contact you and don't.

I've had this happen before at both Hip and non-Hip shows, I think most of the time, the person either doesnt remember me from the show or they lose my email address. That's why there are forums such as this to search for shows