I think the bottom line is that everyone goes to Hip shows for different reasons and is entitled to their own opinion as to what they expect.

I personally, having gone to 30 plus shows, love that moment in a gig when a song starts that I've never heard them play before, or weren't expecting them to play. I appreciate that they are not just catering to me, and need to play songs that the causal fan has shelled out money to hear. They have always done a great job I think of balancing that.

I understand that they have been recording a new album, and apparently only rehearsed for 1 day before these recent shows. I just hope when they do a full tour in the fall, that they return to their usual formula, I expect they will.

For evidence look at the sets for the 2004 and 2008 Summer shows. Basically greatest hits and repetitive sets, but the following major tours were much more diverse.

Nick

amzing show vibe, special feel venue, and a beautiful canadian setting.

man machine opener, wicked fast meridian, ear splitting grace, fanful courage, lasting giftshop, surprise fiddlers, paul versed wheat kings, lifted blow! n on...

great jams, great crowd.

happy to meet some hipbase fans, and thanks to thier company, waited out all the boyz (and gavinn) after the showw! - their all pinned to the earth and laidback-cool as fuckk!

great fukn night.

chris wrote:All the setlist whiners can suck it. The comment that they aren't listening to their fans is ludicrous.

The 18 or so fans here at Hipbase that think the setlists should be wildly different night-to-night and include deep cuts and rarities are not the target market. It's the 19,982 other fans that left NOTL and Oro screaming to their buddies that it was the "greatest show EVAH!!!!". Or for the few hundred (The Kee accommodates 720 people) that spilled out into Bala after the show smiling from ear-to-ringing-ear.

I've seen a lot of Hip shows and this one was as high-energy and entertaing as any.

I officially gave up the setlist banter a few days ago....I'm exempt from sucking anything...

Jack Straw wrote:By comparison Phish are only 15 shows into their summer tour and have played 183 different song titles... apples & oranges but, it IS possible to keep the new songs in every show & rotate some other 'Hits' in that would please a 'Festival Crowd'... 50MC, Fully, Twist, 38, 3 Pistols, Locked, Nautical, Springtime, Escape, Gus, Family Band, Ocean come to mind immediately... Call it a tip of the cap to the fan that sprung a lot for 3 shows in a row, had to arrange time off, travel, accommodations & possibly explain to a wife why seeing a band 3 times in a row was a sound, sane & essential investment... Whatever... All I know is that those first 15-20 shows in 2009 were fuckin' awesome with their 2 set format and grab bag song selections... It was definitely a treat to be spoiled that way... C'est la vie...

Phish is killing it right now !
Someone should by Gord a ticket to their spac show and some bath salts

maybe it will bring back some excitment to the hip

Before that guy who posts saying there are 19000 fans that want this greatest hits crap,!

Well I speak for myself and these shows look boring

eatmecompletely wrote:

Jack Straw wrote:By comparison Phish are only 15 shows into their summer tour and have played 183 different song titles... apples & oranges but, it IS possible to keep the new songs in every show & rotate some other 'Hits' in that would please a 'Festival Crowd'... 50MC, Fully, Twist, 38, 3 Pistols, Locked, Nautical, Springtime, Escape, Gus, Family Band, Ocean come to mind immediately... Call it a tip of the cap to the fan that sprung a lot for 3 shows in a row, had to arrange time off, travel, accommodations & possibly explain to a wife why seeing a band 3 times in a row was a sound, sane & essential investment... Whatever... All I know is that those first 15-20 shows in 2009 were fuckin' awesome with their 2 set format and grab bag song selections... It was definitely a treat to be spoiled that way... C'est la vie...

Phish is killing it right now !
Someone should by Gord a ticket to their spac show and some bath salts

maybe it will bring back some excitment to the hip

Before that guy who posts saying there are 19000 fans that want this greatest hits crap,!

Well I speak for myself and these shows look boring

Wow, dude you are seriously Jaded

Summiteer wrote:

eatmecompletely wrote:

Jack Straw wrote:By comparison Phish are only 15 shows into their summer tour and have played 183 different song titles... apples & oranges but, it IS possible to keep the new songs in every show & rotate some other 'Hits' in that would please a 'Festival Crowd'... 50MC, Fully, Twist, 38, 3 Pistols, Locked, Nautical, Springtime, Escape, Gus, Family Band, Ocean come to mind immediately... Call it a tip of the cap to the fan that sprung a lot for 3 shows in a row, had to arrange time off, travel, accommodations & possibly explain to a wife why seeing a band 3 times in a row was a sound, sane & essential investment... Whatever... All I know is that those first 15-20 shows in 2009 were fuckin' awesome with their 2 set format and grab bag song selections... It was definitely a treat to be spoiled that way... C'est la vie...

Phish is killing it right now !
Someone should by Gord a ticket to their spac show and some bath salts

maybe it will bring back some excitment to the hip

Before that guy who posts saying there are 19000 fans that want this greatest hits crap,!

Well I speak for myself and these shows look boring

Wow, dude you are seriously Jaded

Extremely LOL !

eatmecompletely wrote:

Jack Straw wrote:By comparison Phish are only 15 shows into their summer tour and have played 183 different song titles... apples & oranges but, it IS possible to keep the new songs in every show & rotate some other 'Hits' in that would please a 'Festival Crowd'... 50MC, Fully, Twist, 38, 3 Pistols, Locked, Nautical, Springtime, Escape, Gus, Family Band, Ocean come to mind immediately... Call it a tip of the cap to the fan that sprung a lot for 3 shows in a row, had to arrange time off, travel, accommodations & possibly explain to a wife why seeing a band 3 times in a row was a sound, sane & essential investment... Whatever... All I know is that those first 15-20 shows in 2009 were fuckin' awesome with their 2 set format and grab bag song selections... It was definitely a treat to be spoiled that way... C'est la vie...

Phish is killing it right now !
Someone should by Gord a ticket to their spac show and some bath salts

maybe it will bring back some excitment to the hip

Before that guy who posts saying there are 19000 fans that want this greatest hits crap,!

Well I speak for myself and these shows look boring

Is there a such thing as a casual phish fan/do phish even have a set of greatest hits they could play?

Can't we just enjoy the music and stop bitching about the setlists? After all these years, The Hip are still together & are still putting out fantastic new songs.

There's no point in getting upset about what songs they decide to play. Just be thankful that they're performing great shows!!!

I took a couple of vids of the new songs with my iphone, here's the first one:

mojo_mattv wrote:

eatmecompletely wrote:

Jack Straw wrote:By comparison Phish are only 15 shows into their summer tour and have played 183 different song titles... apples & oranges but, it IS possible to keep the new songs in every show & rotate some other 'Hits' in that would please a 'Festival Crowd'... 50MC, Fully, Twist, 38, 3 Pistols, Locked, Nautical, Springtime, Escape, Gus, Family Band, Ocean come to mind immediately... Call it a tip of the cap to the fan that sprung a lot for 3 shows in a row, had to arrange time off, travel, accommodations & possibly explain to a wife why seeing a band 3 times in a row was a sound, sane & essential investment... Whatever... All I know is that those first 15-20 shows in 2009 were fuckin' awesome with their 2 set format and grab bag song selections... It was definitely a treat to be spoiled that way... C'est la vie...

Phish is killing it right now !
Someone should by Gord a ticket to their spac show and some bath salts

maybe it will bring back some excitment to the hip

Before that guy who posts saying there are 19000 fans that want this greatest hits crap,!

Well I speak for myself and these shows look boring

Is there a such thing as a casual phish fan/do phish even have a set of greatest hits they could play?

not sure what you mean by greatest hits

Phish kinda just goes by the mood they are in

they have no set greatest hits, because they are always changing it up and keeping the shows interesting

Phish's fan base is very demanding and critical and listen to every note the band plays !

The hip's fan base consists of 99.9% casual fans and 10 hardcore fans that post on this board

farmerdan69 wrote:I took a couple of vids of the new songs with my iphone, here's the first one:

very cool! any better sounding versions out there?

eatmecompletely wrote:

farmerdan69 wrote:I took a couple of vids of the new songs with my iphone, here's the first one:

very cool! any better sounding versions out there?

The whole concert was filmed in HD with external mics... But our agreement with the band is that we won't post our recordings of shows that contain new songs until the CD is released.

chris wrote:

eatmecompletely wrote:

farmerdan69 wrote:I took a couple of vids of the new songs with my iphone, here's the first one:

very cool! any better sounding versions out there?

The whole concert was filmed in HD with external mics... But our agreement with the band is that we won't post our recordings of shows that contain new songs until the CD is released.

not to sound like an ass
but phihs has a great taping policy at all their shows also provides their fans with a copy of the sbd for dl that night

phish gets it

Pearl Jam Gets it

the hip need to get with the times

eatmecompletely wrote:not to sound like an ass
but phihs has a great taping policy at all their shows also provides their fans with a copy of the sbd for dl that night

phish gets it

Pearl Jam Gets it

the hip need to get with the times

Because two bands do it The Hip should do it? Is that the logic here?

If so maybe that's what they're doing with their set lists - there are LOTS of bands that perform the exact same set every single night. I saw John Mellancamp and they were selling a program for the concert that contained the setlist, when various performers would be on stage, a timeline so you knew that at 9:42 the were going to be starting Jack & Diane...

Let's just enjoy what they do. And if you don't enjoy it, move on and spend your time, money and energy somewhere else.

chris wrote:

eatmecompletely wrote:

farmerdan69 wrote:I took a couple of vids of the new songs with my iphone, here's the first one:

very cool! any better sounding versions out there?

The whole concert was filmed in HD with external mics... But our agreement with the band is that we won't post our recordings of shows that contain new songs until the CD is released.

I did ask MAv about uploading this to youtube, and he said it was cool to do so...