ISO Peter Padjen

[mark]

SO he's still alive and still aware of his surroundings. Hey HIP11, what was the postmark date on your package?

Once again I AM MOVING so the address I gave Peter will be useless in 2 weeks. If he's out there, he sure as hell better be reading this.

go to the post office and fill out a form to get your mail forwarded. it will cost you around $30 for 6 months. we do it everytime we move. it helps when you forget to change your address on something.

[abrown]

Here's an update to my previous post;
Seems Peter has resurfaced and is now returning emails and making good on the offers he made months ago. As I said before, I have never had any problems with sending Peter money in the past, and aside from being really late, he came through again. He just finally sent me the posters I bought from him back in December. It turns out Peter had some kind of accident and has been recovering for the past 6 months or more - I wish him a full and quick recovery.

I also sent him $140 back in November or December for some DVDs and Hip posters - it's now almost the middle of MArch and still nothing?
After reading this post it seems he's had some bad luck - but four months is too long to make someone wait without any reasonable explanations (I did get two emails in four moths - one saying there was a mix up on when he should send the dvds/posters and the other saying his computer crashed) I haven't heard anyhting from him in over a month?
I starting to wonder if he's really having bad luck after bad luck (which for his sake I hope isn;t the case) or if he's a good trader/seller gone bad (which for my sake I hope isn't the case).
I can say that I have bought a bunch of DVDs from him in the past - there have been a few problems with getting email replys from him and delays in receiving the DVDs - but he has never ripped me off before - and I always liked the idea of the charity fundrasing stuff he did.

[grooveless touque]

Here's an update to MY previous post -

I finally got my package from Peter. And guess what - NOT A SINGLE HIP BOOTLEG!!! I got a bunch of Dave Matthews, Neil Young and The Watchmen!!! I paid for 20 Hip bootlegs, and all I got was half a dozen from random artists.

I know Peter has had it rough, but there's no way he should have undertaken this kind of operation if he doesn't even know what BANDS people paid him for. Sorry to be cruel, but I would much rather he had said "Guys, I need a few months to myself" and I would have let him take a year if it meant getting things right. But no correspondence whatsoever followed by a completely wrong delivery was just unreasonable.

[mark]

this is one reason why i was never comfortable with the whole "money changing hands thing". even when he was just esentially doing B&P's.

[TLB]

Ok Grooveless, I'm getting a little sick of you slagging Peter. This whole thread is just dragging on with your whining.

Yeah, you got a bunch of wrong discs, boo freakin' hoo. It seems to be an honest mistake (I've had other bands discs included in my B&P too). If you wanted to know a little about how Peter works, you should've asked around before sending your hard-earned money. You were given his mailing address earlier but did you send him anything asking "where's my discs?" Did you even bother doing the math on how much time it would take to burn everything he was offering for just ONE person, let alone the amount that actually took him up on his offer? There is no Better Business Bureau for this kind of thing; remember, all you are buying is the CD's, not any of the content on them. I'd rather have seen you get a bunch of blank CD's versus anything else because essentially that is all you paid for. Peter doesn't sell Hip bootlegs, he sells CD-R's.

This guy has done THOUSANDS of B&P's over the years and is one of a few very select people responsible for how big of a Hip trading network is available today. Errors do occur, and no matter how big they are, you still have to remember that they do occur.

The guy got in a car accident and almost lost his leg for christ's sake. You've been told by many people here that he didn't have any internet access & to hold tight. Numerous people have told you about delays experienced in the shipping process. You've been told by even more people just how helpful Peter is and trust me, you wouldn't have half of the boots in your collection right now if Peter didn't do B&P's years ago.

Peter's "operation" as you call it runs fine without you and your problems. At the same time as running Hip boots, he was also trying to get rid of boots from a bunch of other bands. So your name found it's way there instead of with the Hip boots. Peter knows what he's doing and I challenge any single Hip fan anywhere to match Peter's dedication and "operation", which has been up and running since at least 1998.

Maybe this is a case of some newbie Hip fan trying to get some Hip boots he thinks he's entitled to but not doing his homework on the subject. Have you gotten up off your ass to tape/distribute shows, seed shows, do B&P's, burn DVD's, and co-ordinate fundrasing for charity? Do you have ANY FREAKIN IDEA the time & commitment involved in this? Now try doing that on one leg.

If you got a problem, send him the discs back with a note explaining everything. If you're too damn lazy or stupid to do that, tell me how much you "invested" in these bootlegs and I'll pay you back in full on behalf of Peter, just to get you to shut up. Diehard traders don't need an ass like you to come along and ruin what Peter has worked so hard to build.

If anyone else is wondering about their discs, let me know and I will draft a letter for Peter and send it via overnight delivery this week. You'll hopefully have an answer soon.

[grooveless touque]

No, I didn't have any idea about Peter's 'history'. The only two people I talk with off the board who have dealt with him both had complaints, going back to last year. I wasn't really aware of the scale of his bootleg sharing. I am not the first person who has complained about how this went down, but I will hopefully be the last.

Truth be told, the fact that I got ANYTHING from him is good news to me because as far as we knew, he had disappeared or could have suffered further setbacks in his personal life. The fact that I got something, even if it is completely wrong, is reassuring because I imagine I will *hopefully* be able to get in touch with him and fix the mistake. The depth of my knowledge about how he handled problems was limited to two people who did have a problem with him - the issue was sending wrong stuff, but this was last year - and they never did get the correct material from him. I only had one side of the story, really, but it painted a picture that corresponded to the impression I already had so I thought he might just be a sloppy character.

[clearlyentranced]

As an aside, has anyone else seen what's happened to his former site??
www.livehip.com

He told me around Christmastime that he had to ditch it for money reasons.

The site went Asian?

[dannya2]

Well said Tony. I am a huge fan of what Peter does/has done for this community. He is the reason I have 25 Hip DVD's in my collection.

[mark]

Ok Grooveless, I'm getting a little sick of you slagging Peter. This whole thread is just dragging on with your whining.

Yeah, you got a bunch of wrong discs, boo freakin' hoo.

the fact of the matter is this: Grooveless (sorry, i don't know your name) paid for HIP dvd's.

second, it was my understanding that Peter was liquidating his collection. meaning he was not burning copies of the DVD's, but rather selling his own copies. if that is the case, then this should have taken no time at all.

third: assuming peter does not live alone, surely there is someone else in that house who can either A) go to the post office and mail stuff for him or B) burn the DVD's if he tells them what to do. it really isn't that hard.

fourth and last: since he was this hurt to begin with, he should never have taken on a responsibility like this involves. he should have waited until he was in a little bit better shape before he did anything.

i have sympathy for peter as it sounds he was really hurt in this accident, but at the same time, he does have an obligation to make good on his promise.

Mark

[macyme]

If you got a problem, send him the discs back with a note explaining everything. If you're too damn lazy or stupid to do that, tell me how much you "invested" in these bootlegs and I'll pay you back in full on behalf of Peter, just to get you to shut up. Diehard traders don't need an ass like you to come along and ruin what Peter has worked so hard to build.

I think you're the one who's being a bit harsh here, I here your point on what peter's done, but to defend groovless he too has also done alot for the hip community and has helped me and several others get our collection going. remember sometimes it's not what you say it's how you say it. If you had a problem with groovless you should have sent him a PM instead of lashing him in public. Bottom line is mistakes happen so hopefully the issue can be resolved.

[Bootlegger420]

In regards to Peter, You shouldnt bite off more then you can chew when it comes to shows, and as for TLB you really need to check your attitude at the door. The list of people who are sick of you grows everyday, you sit here and bash people for being concerned about Hip shows. When a guy like you wont trade unless its Its high quality shows and hassles each and every person on this board about there trading styles or beliefs.
Reach in real deep and pull your head out of your ass TLB or my foot can lodge it further up there if you like.

Shane

[TLB]

First and foremost, I've never cared how people take me and I never will. If I did, I would have blew my brains out a long time ago. I'm here because I love The Hip, not to pussyfoot around everybody and make lifelong friendships. The people I value & respect feel the same about me as I do of them, and that's all I need. I've met alot of great people through this community and I'll stand up for them anytime, anyday, especially one of the originals like Peter Padjen. If there's ever something to be said, you can count on me say it. Sometimes my emotions do get the best of me but in any of life's situations, when people start complaining about the people who actually do the work, it really ticks me off. You're not supposed to bite the hand that feeds you. Grooveless repeatedly posted about how anxious he was to receive his shows and when the wrong package finally arrived, he admittedly teed off on Peter without knowing the whole story or doing the research to find out.

Mark, I believe it was a liquidation but Peter had hundreds of extra blanks to burn out first, then the originals were going. I'm also thinking he may have taken a turn for the worse (for a little while at least). I always received quick replies from Peter but during that time it was strange to not hear anything at all. I know that while he was injured, he was actively scouting Hip footage that he could transfer to DVD. Over 90% of the Hip DVD's available Peter mastered himself and he was adding DVD's to the collection almost weekly. He obviously does have an obligation to keep his promise but at the same time, give him a chance to fix the mistake. Maybe he couldn't get to an internet cafe to update everyone, afterall he was down to one good leg. Snail mail does still exist if I'm not mistaken. Instead of slamming Peter on this board, all Grooveless had to do was contact him through the return address and I guarantee Peter would've fixed the situation and included bonus items for the hassle.

Macy, I agree with you. I was very harsh and it wasn't by design. I did want to get my point across in an obvious fashion but I also did go overboard, and Grooveless I publicly apologize for doing that to you. I am sorry. Macy is right; I should've sent you a PM in regards to your situation. I've never traded with you and I wasn't aware of the many people you have helped out. If we cross paths in the future, I hope we can do some trading. When I get any CDR's/DVD's mastered for the upcoming tour, if you're interested I'll pass them your way.

Shane, you're just being as big an ass as I was. How does it feel? Too bad you feel that way about Peter, you obviously don't know or are conveniently forgetting he's bitten off bigger in the past. Do you really have a list of people that hate me? Did you download that off the net somewhere? Or is there some rather large talk behind the scenes, away from the Hipbase? Maybe everyone's PM'ing each other. Can you please tell us and put your money where your mouth is? Why don't you run a bloddy poll about this? You can call it "Let's Oust TLB" or "How many of you hate TLB?" Trust me dipshit, when you get to the point where you have almost every bootleg available, you don't want to trade for crap mp3's with people who don't care for the amount of work that goes into repeatedly taping shows. Not just one or two shows, I'm talking double-digits here, high quality audio & video. I've went broke everytime I've taped a tour, just to tape the damn tour and get it out to ungrateful pricks like you. Then you want me to degrade what I put so much effort into creating by MP3'ing my boots because you can't afford a bigger hard drive. Don't you wonder why some tapers only trade with other tapers or why people trade DAT for DAT, WAV for WAV, etcetera? When did I hassle "each and every person on this board" for trading beliefs? I only remember hassling you and maybe a couple of other people. And don't forget, you're always welcome to come out west and show me how far up my ass your foot can really go.

There's a prevalent attitude on this board that people are owed something. "Where are these boots? Give us the boots!" I know of a few tapers who actively stay away from this board for this very reason. There have been times when they've wanted to type the exact same words I'm typing here but in the end, does it really matter? Will the attitudes change? I used to think so but now I'm not so sure. Be thankful for the people that do what they do, it won't be there forever & is always changing, and think of the thought & effort they put into pleasing other fans.

[gibbytime39]

i received an e-mail from peter yesterday. i didn't know about his accident and he had told me his computer was screwed up for a while. i've been waiting too but i've dealt with him before and i'm confident all will be good. he always responds to my e-mails.
besides he gave me a great deal and for that i will always be thankful.

[Hugh23]

Everyone please relax! This has always been a friendly place to post about our favorite band.

It seems as if TLB and Grooveless have come to an understanding. I hope no one will denounce each other any further. Opinions are running very 'hot' on the subject of Peter's trading and who is a good "taper and trader". Let's not get into a big war just before a new CD and Hip tour. Let's try to remain civil when writing our posts. If you disagree strongly with someone's post, don't flame them on the board for all to see. Respond in a logical manner or reply with a PM if it is necessary.

There seems to be some bad blood between TLB and Bootlegger420. Please don't let anger and derogatory remarks rule this board. Everyone has a right to post here. TLB has always posted new and interesting info about The Hip here. Bootlegger420 seems to be a long time member of The Hip Community. He seems familiar with the people and practices here. Let's try to remain friendly, even though we may disagree with each other.

I will now step down from my soap box. Thank you for listening.

[Summiteer]

other.

I will now step down from my soap box. Thank you for listening.

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